{"id":44224,"date":"2025-02-23T00:38:29","date_gmt":"2025-02-23T05:38:29","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/newssprinters.com\/index.php\/world\/macron-and-starmer-have-played-trumps-game-before-but-the-rules-are-changing\/23\/02\/2025\/"},"modified":"2025-02-23T00:38:29","modified_gmt":"2025-02-23T05:38:29","slug":"macron-and-starmer-have-played-trumps-game-before-but-the-rules-are-changing","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/newssprinters.com\/index.php\/world\/macron-and-starmer-have-played-trumps-game-before-but-the-rules-are-changing\/23\/02\/2025\/","title":{"rendered":"Macron and Starmer Have Played Trump\u2019s Game Before, but the Rules Are Changing"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>\n<\/p>\n<div data-testid=\"companionColumn-1\">\n<div class=\"css-53u6y8\">\n<p class=\"css-at9mc1 evys1bk0\">\u201cThis is the moment of truth,\u201d former Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull of Australia said in an interview. \u201cThey simply have to have the steel to stand up to Trump and tell him what they think, namely, that siding with Putin against Ukraine is a devastating blow to America\u2019s prestige and standing in the world.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-at9mc1 evys1bk0\">Mr. Turnbull, who had his own clashes with Mr. Trump over refugees early in the president\u2019s first term, said that efforts to charm or cajole him on an issue this fundamental would likely go nowhere. \u201cIf the price of getting along with Trump is abandoning your allies, that is too high a price to pay,\u201d Mr. Turnbull said.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<aside class=\"css-ew4tgv\" aria-label=\"companion column\"\/><\/div>\n<div data-testid=\"companionColumn-2\">\n<div class=\"css-53u6y8\">\n<p class=\"css-at9mc1 evys1bk0\">A critical problem, said diplomats who dealt with Mr. Trump in his first term, is that he is not the same leader he was then.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-at9mc1 evys1bk0\">\u201cWhen Trump arrived in 2017, he knew nothing and nobody,\u201d said Gerard Araud, who was France\u2019s ambassador to Washington and accompanied Mr. Macron to multiple meetings with Mr. Trump. \u201cNow he thinks he knows everything, he\u2019s more radical on the substance, and he is surrounded by yes-men.\u201d<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<aside class=\"css-ew4tgv\" aria-label=\"companion column\"\/><\/div>\n<div data-testid=\"companionColumn-3\">\n<div class=\"css-53u6y8\">\n<p class=\"css-at9mc1 evys1bk0\">That will make it harder for the European leaders to move Mr. Trump off his erroneous claim that the United States, in giving billions of dollars of military support to Ukraine, was essentially the victim of a con job by an unpopular, undemocratic Ukrainian leader. Nor will it be easy, diplomats say, to warn Mr. Trump of the dangers of giving too much away to Mr. Putin in a negotiation.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-at9mc1 evys1bk0\">That doesn\u2019t mean the leaders won\u2019t try.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-at9mc1 evys1bk0\">Mr. Macron, who arrives at the White House on Monday, said during a live broadcast on social media last week, \u201cI\u2019m going to say to him, basically: \u2018You can\u2019t be weak against President Putin. It\u2019s not you, it\u2019s not your trademark, it\u2019s not in your interest.\u2019\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-at9mc1 evys1bk0\">Mr. Starmer, who will be in Washington on Thursday, has not publicly shared his strategy for dealing with Mr. Trump. But British diplomats said they expected him to emphasize Britain\u2019s willingness to do more to provide for Europe\u2019s defense by contributing troops to a Ukraine peacekeeping force. Mr. Starmer made the troop commitment last week, but said it would work only if the United States acted as a \u201cbackstop.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-at9mc1 evys1bk0\">\u201cTrump doesn\u2019t do gratitude,\u201d said Kim Darroch, who served as Britain\u2019s ambassador to Washington during much of Mr. Trump\u2019s first term. \u201cBut you will at least get some recognition that you are the most forward-leaning of the European countries about buying into his idea of a peace deal.\u201d<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<aside class=\"css-ew4tgv\" aria-label=\"companion column\"\/><\/div>\n<div data-testid=\"companionColumn-4\">\n<div class=\"css-53u6y8\">\n<p class=\"css-at9mc1 evys1bk0\">British officials said Mr. Starmer would tell Mr. Trump that Britain was considering additional military aid to Ukraine and planned to increase spending on its own defense. Mr. Darroch said Mr. Starmer should pledge to boost Britain\u2019s military spending to 2.5 percent of economic output by a specific date. (Mr. Starmer has promised to reach that threshold but has not set a deadline.)<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<aside class=\"css-ew4tgv\" aria-label=\"companion column\"\/><\/div>\n<div data-testid=\"companionColumn-5\">\n<div class=\"css-53u6y8\">\n<p class=\"css-at9mc1 evys1bk0\">The prime minister, Mr. Darroch said, should also press Mr. Trump to describe the peace deal he is seeking with Russia and what pressure he plans to put on Mr. Putin to achieve it. While Britain is expected to announce additional sanctions against Russia before Mr. Starmer goes to Washington, Mr. Trump has signaled a willingness to end Russia\u2019s economic and diplomatic isolation.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-at9mc1 evys1bk0\">Mr. Starmer showed some daylight between him and Mr. Trump after the president\u2019s condemnation of Mr. Zelensky, telling the Ukrainian prime minister by phone that he was a \u201cdemocratically elected leader\u201d within his rights to \u201csuspend elections during wartime as the U.K. did during World War II.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-at9mc1 evys1bk0\">Having made his point, Mr. Darroch said, Mr. Starmer should avoid getting drawn into a debate with Mr. Trump over Mr. Zelensky. Instead, he said, the prime minister should play to Mr. Trump\u2019s vision of himself as peacemaker.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-at9mc1 evys1bk0\">Mr. Araud agreed, saying: \u201cIt would be a mistake for the Europeans to argue with Trump about who started the war, or whether Zelensky is a dictator. That is a non-starter for a Trumpian approach.\u201d<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<aside class=\"css-ew4tgv\" aria-label=\"companion column\"\/><\/div>\n<div data-testid=\"companionColumn-6\">\n<div class=\"css-53u6y8\">\n<p class=\"css-at9mc1 evys1bk0\">Mr. Araud said he expected Mr. Macron to press Mr. Trump for security assurances in return for Europe\u2019s assembling a deterrent force. France and Britain are trying to persuade Sweden, Denmark, the Netherlands and the Baltic countries to join such a force.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-at9mc1 evys1bk0\">Other French officials said they worried that Mr. Trump would insist on putting a cease-fire in place in Ukraine within weeks, with a goal of celebrating it with Mr. Putin in Red Square in Moscow on <a class=\"css-yywogo\" href=\"https:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/2024\/05\/09\/world\/europe\/russia-putin-victory-day.html\" title=\"\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener nofollow\">Victory Day<\/a>, which commemorates the Soviet victory over Nazi Germany, on May 9. He would be the first president to visit Russia in more than a decade \u2014 striking evidence of Mr. Putin\u2019s diplomatic rehabilitation.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-at9mc1 evys1bk0\">With little time to prevent that, French officials said they were scrambling to limit the damage. Among their deepest fears is that Mr. Trump will try to force an election in Ukraine, which would open the door to Russia-backed candidates, online smear campaigns and other forms of election interference.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-at9mc1 evys1bk0\">Some experts argue that the leaders should appeal to Mr. Trump\u2019s other priorities, notably America\u2019s competition with China. Conceding too much to Mr. Putin, they said, could embolden China in its designs against Taiwan. It would also give China an incentive to draw closer to Russia in a coalition against the United States.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-at9mc1 evys1bk0\">\u201cIf you make peace or impose peace in Europe and on Ukraine, on terms favorable to Russia, that actually makes it harder for you to deal with China,\u201d said Nigel Gould-Davies, a former British ambassador to Belarus who is a senior fellow at the International Institute for Strategy, a research organization in London.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<aside class=\"css-ew4tgv\" aria-label=\"companion column\"\/><\/div>\n<div data-testid=\"companionColumn-7\">\n<div class=\"css-53u6y8\">\n<p class=\"css-at9mc1 evys1bk0\">But Mr. Gould-Davies and other analysts said that drawing Mr. Trump into a discussion of grand strategy had its limits. \u201cFor Trump, even more than most leaders, the personal is the political,\u201d he said.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-at9mc1 evys1bk0\">On Friday, Mr. Trump described Mr. Macron as a friend, but complained that neither he nor Mr. Starmer had \u201cdone anything\u201d to end the war.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-at9mc1 evys1bk0\">Mr. Starmer and Mr. Macron have both worked to cultivate Mr. Trump. Mr. Starmer did not get to know him until a dinner at Trump Tower in New York last September, but the two seemed to get along. \u201cI like him a lot,\u201d Mr. Trump said recently. \u201cHe\u2019s liberal, which is a bit different from me, but I think he\u2019s a very good person.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-at9mc1 evys1bk0\">Mr. Macron\u2019s relationship with Mr. Trump goes further back and has weathered more bumps. After a honeymoon period marked by Mr. Trump\u2019s attendance at the French military parade, the two leaders clashed over Mr. Trump\u2019s decision to pull out of the Paris climate accord and the Iran nuclear deal.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<aside class=\"css-ew4tgv\" aria-label=\"companion column\"\/><\/div>\n<div data-testid=\"companionColumn-8\">\n<div class=\"css-53u6y8\">\n<p class=\"css-at9mc1 evys1bk0\">Mr. Macron continues to reach out. In December, he invited Mr. Trump to attend the reopening of the Cathedral of Notre-Dame in Paris. He also scrambled to get on the president\u2019s calendar in Washington before Mr. Starmer, whose Washington trip has been in the works for a few weeks.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-at9mc1 evys1bk0\">None of that guarantees that his diplomatic efforts will work this time. During a state visit to Washington in 2018, Mr. Araud recalled, Mr. Macron mistakenly believed he had talked Mr. Trump into not withdrawing from the Iran deal.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-at9mc1 evys1bk0\">\u201cThere is this element of unpredictability and unreliability,\u201d Mr. Araud said. \u201cWhatever he says on Day 1 doesn\u2019t mean anything on Day 2.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-798hid etfikam0\">Catherine Porter<!-- --> contributed reporting from Paris.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<aside class=\"css-ew4tgv\" aria-label=\"companion column\"\/><\/div>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/2025\/02\/23\/world\/europe\/france-uk-trump-macron-starmer.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener nofollow\">Source link <\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>&ldquo;This is the moment of truth,&rdquo; former Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull of Australia said in an interview. &ldquo;They simply have to have<br \/><button class=\"read-more\"><a href=\"https:\/\/newssprinters.com\/index.php\/world\/macron-and-starmer-have-played-trumps-game-before-but-the-rules-are-changing\/23\/02\/2025\/\">Read More &rsaquo;<\/a><\/button><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":44226,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_seopress_robots_primary_cat":"","_seopress_titles_title":"","_seopress_titles_desc":"","_seopress_robots_index":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[2],"tags":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/newssprinters.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/44224"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/newssprinters.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/newssprinters.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/newssprinters.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/newssprinters.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=44224"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/newssprinters.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/44224\/revisions"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/newssprinters.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/44226"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/newssprinters.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=44224"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/newssprinters.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=44224"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/newssprinters.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=44224"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}